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    What are your impressions on unconventional koi body shape?

    I am referring to the short body koi and the ones that are considered obese, with bodies not proportional and much thicker than the head, when viewed from above and from the side.


    I personally find it unattractive in fishes as I mostly like koi fish that are streamlined and torpedo shaped. But I do understand that some people like it that way? I want to know, correct me if wrong, thanks!



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    It’s a very subjective topic, what one person thinks is a good body may not be another persons view. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

    In the show scene obviously body shape plays one of the most important parts of what is deemed grand champ and what isn’t.

    At the end of the day you buy a koi because you like it, you will be the one looking at it every day. If another person doesn’t like it that’s their preference.


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    What are your impressions on unconventional koi body shape?

    Such a subjective question as laura says. For me yes ideally a proportionate body to head, pecs, caudal fin etc is the better looking koi but they are very much like people in a way. No two koi look exactly the same (to a degree) i personally like to see more of a typical female characteristic body shape which is a bit more weighty but not overly if that makes sense. Females can be skinny and males more weighty though. Same as generally males have stronger colours but its not always the case. Now some koi will look very well in deed when young or when first purchased but then grow into an unwanted shape, pattern, head/body size etc... some grow big and some do not just the way it is.
    Im actually more inclined to ask what spurred you to this question though?


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    beauty is in the eye of the beholder. lee and laura have said it all. also there is sentimental value.

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    As already responded - it is like with humans - we also are in all sorts of shapes / sizes / colors / behaviors - so it boils down to personal preference I guess.

    I always thought - right or wrong - that disproportion between head and body - e.g. too small head to the body comes from overfeeding - read something about it at various forums - so based on this I try to feed sensibly - not all they can eat - but try to stay around max. 2% of their estimated body weight - maybe having a bit slower growth rate this way, but heads and bodies seem to be growing in balance so far.

    Just my five cents for what it is worth I guess.....
    You get what you pay for - or better - what you make yourself.

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    I love a torpedo shape too. Not a fan of the fatties when viewed from above nor of pot bellies when viewed from the side.

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    Quite an interesting topic..
    As an ex keen fisherman i go for what i call a true shape for the species etc..
    So as for koi im a torpedo shaped person myself anything that as a gait upon it i deem over weight........

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    I love a torpedo shape too. Not a fan of the fatties when viewed from above nor of pot bellies when viewed from the side.
    Agree - torpedo shape also for me!
    You get what you pay for - or better - what you make yourself.

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    I see that this has been talked about here on the forum in the past.
    There was also something like this in the US forum.
    https://www.koiphen.com/forums/showt...koi-body-shape

    When Japanese breeders are interviewed, they are always the first to mention their commitment to body shape. It results in more growth and longer retention. This is why they do not compromise on better bloodlines or improvements.

    At our HINPYOKAI (or KOI SHOW as it is called there) we are told that body shape is more than 50% of the judging importance.
    When we hobbyists buy a new KOI, we should be interested in the body shape as it will help us to predict the future of the KOI. In particular, the curved line from the belly to the tail is widely recognized as a point of interest.

    I have a general average ability to distinguish between female KOI over 2 years old, but some more advanced hobbyists are able to distinguish even small TOSAI.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufZkGP9SU2M
    The other day I posted in another thread that a person who purchased a small fall TOSAI (less than 15cm) is very particular about determining the body shape of the such small KOI, predicting 3 to 5 years into the future whether it will grow to less than 70cm or over 80cm.

    As there is a lot of empirical evidence involved in the discussion of KOI body shape, it is difficult to change one's mind or make up one's mind immediately, but I would like to take a look at some of the more advanced opinions and literature on the subject.

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    I'm sure you've already seen something similar there in the past, but this is quite realistic and something we can all agree on.
    I've added a few words where the translation software doesn't do it justice.
    錦鯉の森 | 錦鯉の体型

    ●Body shape of Nishikigoi
    What does it mean to have a good body shape?

    The first thing that is important with Nishikigoi is that they grow big and become beautiful. In order for a Koi to grow big, the characteristics of the body shape that the Koi has in the first place have a big influence.
    ※We will assume here that you have a TATEGOI to make it bigger size.(Not the type to finishing it small and beautiful).

    ●What is body shape?
    The individual style of a Koi is based on its skeletal structure and is easily inherited from its parents KOI(OYAGOI)
    The better the linage, the more skeletal and well shaped the Koi will tend to be.

    ●How to look at TATEGOI (badly shaped Koi)
    What is a Koi with a bad body shape?
    How can we judge a Koi with a bad body shape?

    ●Characteristics of badly formed Nishikigoi
    1.Swollen underbelly (soft, flabby belly)
    2.MUNEPPARI (swollen below the pectoral fins, packed from head to pectoral. The lateral line turns upwards from the middle of the body and the whole body is turned back towards the tail).
    3.Thin head (triangular head * It cannot be concluded that everything will not grow big, but it is basically unfavorable.)
    4.A narrow tail tube (especially if the koi tapers sharply behind the anus).
    5.Lack of height (Koi without height do not gain volume as they grow older).

    ●Characteristics of a well-built Nishikigoi
    1.Large head. (Both eyes should be wide and the head should be long.)
    ※There are some exceptions, such as the pale-coloured CHAGOI, which are close to specie of carp can grow big even if it's head is small.
    2.No tendency of MUNEPPARI,
    3.The whole body is uniformly streamlined (not clogged)
    4.Good height.(If the spine is taut and the body is tall, it is easy to add volume.).
    5.The bridge (from head to dorsal fin) should be long and the spine firm and taut. The belly should be firm and well defined. (A soft belly is easily disfigured. Metabolic lines should be avoided.)

    It should also be noted that in addition to the body shape characteristics of each of these KOIs, feeding techniques appropriate to the water temperature will add to these characteristics. (*ᴗˬᴗ)⁾⁾

 

 

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